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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Liz Heard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Sep 2012 at 11:58am
in France a few years ago on a herping trip, a mate was bitten on the hand by V aspis (bite bit more toxic than berus).

we had been finding lots of Viperine Snakes (which were abundant) and the animal in question was partially hidden under tree roots. mistaken for yet another Natrix, it was grasped for a pic and defended itself effectively.

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4 days in Perigeaux Hospital, many miles from our accomodation, which meant i had to drive the hire car uninsured to visit every day, antivenin was flown in from elsewhere in France (cost around 2 grand (!) - the tiny phial was kept and made a great souvenir!), we missed our flight home and had to phone our employer to awkwardly explain why we wouldnt be back at work on Monday after all!
other than the bedside visits, i was pretty much marooned in the digs watching a dvd box set of Worzel Gummidge for the duration. i didnt dare drive anywhere unnecessarily without insurance and we had herped all over the immediate locale already, exhausting anywhere worthwhile and within walking distance.

there was some localised swelling but for the most part his treatment was borne of precaution and observation. the hand was coated in some sticky white gunk or other.

its all fondly remembered as part of the adventure now and he had a whale of a time dans l'hopital admiring the sexy nurses!!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote will Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Sep 2012 at 6:38pm
great story Ben, thanks for that.  I had read that aspis was generally less venomous than berus, except for the ssp zinnikeri; perhaps someone could give a definitive answer (Wolfgang, if you see this?)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Liz Heard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Sep 2012 at 10:50pm
Hi Will,

you may well be right. cant recall where, but i definitely did read somewhere that aspis was slightly worse than berus.
however, that was a long time ago and it seems to me that opinions on venom/poison toxicity often change over time.

i CAN tell you that the antivenin covered both species - they were listed together on the label.
V ammodytes wasnt on it though - surprise surprise!
you wouldnt want a hit from 1 of them now would ya?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote will Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2012 at 12:55pm
Hi Ben

I have a feeling that aspis generally delivers more venom per bite but that berus is more toxic in terms of LD50, so perhaps it evens out.  Either way, I certainly agree re nose-horned vipers, giving me a chance to post a gratuitous pic of one I saw in Corfu a couple of years ago:


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hawley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 4:14pm
I was bitten by a smooth snake during handling training, but worst bites have been from shrews that the cat brings in to play with.  They are tiny little critters, but have a really painful bite (read somewhere that they are venemous)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kevinb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 6:16pm
Sorry Ben but that cheap french wine must have affected your memory, I still have the bottle and here is a picture of it with species listed.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kevinb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 10:50am
Sometimes that close up shot gets just a little too close
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Ha! Love that shot. Bleeding thumb with the rather guilty looking culprit sneaking off in the background...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JamesM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Sep 2013 at 11:09pm
Originally posted by kevinb kevinb wrote:

Sometimes that close up shot gets just a little too close

Any systemic or localised effects?
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