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    Posted: 14 Sep 2011 at 8:03am
Looking forward to the discussion on this one...

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I've got to page 4 and glad to see there has been plenty of input from those at the sharp end Lee Thumbs Up
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Thank you for this

just had a quick scan and it is 36 pages long. Got to be worth the wait though and will enjoy reading that when i get some time. 

Looking forward to some lengthy discussion on this too Big smile


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'in all cases, reptiles should not be translocated to sites a long distance away, say 20km' (p11)- so, not from Essex to Wiltshire then... Wink
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Wiltshire is in Essex isn't it Will? (LOL)

Not sure I've quite got my head around the number of survey days yet, I think I'll need a spreadsheet to calculate them. Odd February gets a 2 for adder whilst April gets a 5. Still much to take in though it clearly states that the document is fluid and can be updated..

So that being the case please change the two week settling time for refuges (refugia??) to FOUR WEEKS NE!
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Gemma@ Wiltshire is in Essex isn't it Will? (LOL) - doh! I forgot...  still, a nice parting gesture from Jim (Foster) to put this in writing before his recent departure from NE - well done Jim. 
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Hi Gemma

You tend to be slanted towards males at lower numbers than in April where you have usually many more animals above ground. However I do believe that seasonality is altered with location - for instance northern climes would probably have different scores in each month wouldnt they?

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Yep it's fair comment Jon, visual survey in April can get more results, but 2 vs 5?

I'm just a little concerned for example that some consultants will only survey in the high scoring months going against several statements in the document that they should not, or at least be tempted to not survey in very low scored months. With February being a 2 will many consultants actually use this time to identify adder hibernacula for example when they could be doing less visits later in the year? It's not always simply about high counts, understanding the habitat used has always been the key to my own consultancy work.

To be fair though I've still only had time to scan read parts of the document and still need to sit down and read it all through properly.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sussexecology Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Sep 2011 at 7:39pm
yes i noticed that too!

Should def be 4 weeks, not 2 weeks, but know there are some consultants who leave these down for just a week!

The no of survey days = no I can't get my head around those. Think I will stick to the 10 days as a min for absence/presence surveys and 15 - 20 for population densities for the time being. Like your idea of using a spreadsheet to calculate these though, Gemma.  I can see it being a problem if I am out on site and the client asks how many visits are required and I have to make a very quick calculation! Big smile 

Think I will still stick to a min of 10.

I know that Jon won't like me saying this, but I absolutely love using Onduline Big smileBig smile and thanks to Gemma who recommended it last year. And it seems to work very well (esp for slow worms). Haven't found any mention of this in the guidelines yet, but somebody correct me if I am wrong about that. I haven't had time to read it thoroughly yetWink

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Originally posted by GemmaJF GemmaJF wrote:

Yep it's fair comment Jon, visual survey in April can get more results, but 2 vs 5?

I'm just a little concerned for example that some consultants will only survey in the high scoring months going against several statements in the document that they should not, or at least be tempted to not survey in very low scored months. With February being a 2 will many consultants actually use this time to identify adder hibernacula for example when they could be doing less visits later in the year? It's not always simply about high counts, understanding the habitat used has always been the key to my own consultancy work.

To be fair though I've still only had time to scan read parts of the document and still need to sit down and read it all through properly.


Got to agree with that one, as noticed that July and August also get a lower score. But if the weather isn't too hot (like this year) and there is a lot of rain around (like this year!), July and August can still be useful. I think that counts in July and August can be done, providing it is very early in the morning and when the temp is good enough too (ie not too hot).

Would like more comments on this, but like Gemma I've only scanned through it briefly and not sure if any other members of our team have read through it properly.

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