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GemmaJF
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Posted: 31 Aug 2012 at 1:24am |
Add to this SE that this particular organisation has directly undercut our quotes recently and it really makes my blood boil. Not really sure of what action to take. I have plenty of evidence of their total incompetence yet a developer will take the lower quote. It's a circular thing, they are rubbish at conducting reptile surveys, animals are not found where they should be and the developer 'gets away' with it. In the meantime we get progressively less work. Well I do have one solution. Next year I'm considering setting our rates to blatantly undercut them. I can afford to work practically at cost for several yeas, lets see if they can Regarding your client, for this type of work there really should be no time constraint. My surveys are being conducted over a couple of seasons to really get to know the site. I think this important for management recommendations at a Nature Reserve, compared to a commercial project which tends to work on different schedules and have different final outcomes and budget. For sure I was quickly able to recommend some fairly immediate works to open up an important area that was becoming over shaded, but the bigger picture is still developing at the site. If it were me I would just point this out to them and hope they are willing to listen. We all know how harmful it can be for them to blunder in without solid base line survey data and it will help if you offer a very low conservation rate for the works and explain the subtleties involved. Really in the past for us 6 week of survey at a number of reserves revealed very little and it would be all to easy to miss a small population of adder entirely for example, which could be a key species to consider during any future management at the site. It is amazing how after a couple of seasons though one knows the site back to front. This doesn't really compare with a commercial development project which will most likely involve some form of capture work and habitat creation from the outset. Much of that is feel and interpreting survey results rather than trying to gain a full picture of the subtleties of the existing habitat which may be lost or very difficult to protect during the project in any case. So my considerations for a commercial project would be, number of workers required, size of receptor area, habitat enhancement, capture effort - generally with a considerable budget to achieve more than what is required to maintain the conservation status of the target species in the local area. My considerations at a nature reserve would be very different indeed and might involve the level of management in very specific areas, general management recommendation and very long-term monitoring of results. It takes considerably more time to develop a full picture of the reptiles needs in this case as it involves a lot of manipulation of what exists at the site rather than a big budget to create habitat. Just to make it clear, I'm not saying there is any less skill involved in the commercial work, there tends though to be the opportunity to throw a very wide blanket over the work and cover all bases. Working at a nature reserve with perhaps remnant reptile populations in quite low numbers is a whole different ball game though... .... even very minor management mistakes can have very major effects so one needs a very clear view of the situation and that takes a lot of time to achieve.
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sussexecology
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Madfossa, I forgot to say.......great picture It's a challenge for me to get a decent picture of a grass snake as i have noticed recently that i am getting rather slow with pushing that all important button on the top of the camera in my old age. Regards SE Reptile Ecologist |
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sussexecology
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Apologies for the rather slow reply of mine (and late one too ). You have raised some very good points there Gemma. I agree that this is good news but I was shocked by your description of the reptile survey in the rabbit grazed areas. This didn't come as a surprise though which is really depressing and if I can so, sad. I will make sure that the fees for this reptile survey are fair too, although i am quite excited about this project. This little project will also involve some hands-on habitat work which will be great to be involved with. What concerns me though is that they have asked for quotes now, and the first round of habitat work will be done in the winter months so i only hope that they will take on board that surveys need to be done prior to any habitat work. For example, it will take about 6 weeks to complete a survey (that's with the bedding down of the reptile tins for 2 weeks and 1 month for the survey included), so it might a little tight for this year. I was a bit surprised when i first read the tender description because i was expecting this to be a development. I don't know if they are listening to what is being said but the bottom line is that it is a step in the right direction. Need to get to bed now as sunny weather on Friday - perfect (yippee) Regards SE Reptile Ecologist Edited by sussexecology - 31 Aug 2012 at 12:47am |
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GemmaJF
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We also had our first request to M&G Ecology for this sort of work recently.
I waved all fees in a gesture of goodwill, as I felt the money could be better spent on habitat enhancement at the reserve, this was after they agreed to my at cost estimate. I'm glad to say the survey work provided some nice surprises and there has already been some very herp friendly management at the site. I just wish more organisations would ask for the help in this way rather than ignoring the issue as 'too hard' to get their heads around which sadly seems to have been the attitude over and over again. Still perhaps the message is getting through finally to some at least. I think it only fair that consultancies price fairly considering the whole experience should be a lot more pleasant than dealing with the average developer. Still sadly I have to report a certain Essex nature conservation organisation still regard themselves as 'experts' who do not need outside help. I recently visited a site with a reptile survey in progress by this 'nature conservation organisation'. Roofing felts laid out on rabbit grazed areas, whilst totally ignoring adjacent optimal habitat. Lets just hope more of them wake up to the fact they need people who know what they are doing, rather than trying to be experts in everything who demonstrably do not have any idea at all when it comes to native herpetofauna. (Notably this same organisation also takes on commercial herp consultancy work, quite shocking in my opinion considering the very low level of expertise available to them) Still the news about recent goings on at EF seemed to stop. Are they listening still I wonder, or just sitting back glad they got away with it again.
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sussexecology
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That is good news This is good news too: We have been approached by a nature reserve for some ecological survey work prior to habitat management work. This is defo an improvement and our Reptile Ecologist will be making sure that reptiles are taken into account prior to any ground/habitat management work. If only all reserves would do the same, our native wildlife willl have a much safer place to live, breed and hibernate. Glad to see that somebody on a nature reserve is at last taking note of what we have been saying for far too long. For obvious reasons, we can't give out details just yet but no doubt we will do in due course but impressed with the nature reserve's approach. Senior Ecologist, SE |
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GemmaJF
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Sounds like they will need to go manage this area Jon, can't see them allowing all four species to live in peace at EF...
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Its an Adder in a new location in Epping Forest one where I have not recorded adder before which is really good news.....
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It's an adder for sure. I was bleary-eyed when i first looked at the photo. Too many late nights But not easy to zoom into the photo unless you have the original. Ask for the original one as I don't know how to forward you a copy, and you'll see what i mean it is an adder. Regards SE Reptile Ecologist |
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It's got to be an Adder, the body looks flattened out to me, which is something the other two natives cannot do. Also the scales appear keeled which would rule out Smooth Snake (hard to see this closely though)
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Madfossa
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Thanks everyone.
I would be interested to hear from Rob V
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