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sussexecology
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Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 5:55pm |
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Yes thank you for that, I realise that. These are still in draft form and NE advised that they are the current guidelines to use. Was only asking !!!! Will ask our reptile ecologist instead then. |
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Matt Smith
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No, because they were withdrawn pending review. Edited by Matt Smith - 06 Apr 2012 at 1:38am |
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sussexecology
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Has anyone tried these new guidelines yet for surveys this year? |
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Noodles
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Just out of interest what made an impossible 4 visit survey, so achievable in 5 visits and what went so badly wrong down the line? I'm intrigued Cheers
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calumma
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We (KRAG) were attempting to develop reptile HSI criteria. When NE jumped the gun we were fairly dismayed and I've been considering whether it is worthwhile continuing to develop the methodology. Now the guidelines have been withdrawn there is an opportunity for me to better voice my concerns. I would be interested to know what others think about this particular aspect of the guidelines and whether the methodology should be further developed and is worth publishing (in the context of guidelines).
I'm currently soliciting feedback from users of the gcn HSI guidelines to enable an update of that methodology, so the reptile HSI is not an immediate priority for me. However, useful to gauge the forum's thoughts on the matter. If folks want to comment on the gcn document please email me directly. Edited by calumma - 15 Nov 2011 at 8:20am |
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GemmaJF
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This is exactly the point Matt, I once quoted 5 visits for a GCN survey to be informed by the client that I only needed to do 4. Once these things are in print the bad work to the minimum the good are forced to follow suit to stay in business. The fact they are completely incompetent won't matter at all, their quote will be cheaper and they will get the work. What the client had overlooked in that particular case was it was physically impossible to carryout the required survey effort in 4 nights at the site. We didn't get the job and I remember well it going very badly later down the line. The fact it is a 'minimum' is overlooked, once in print it becomes the 'standard'.
Unfortunately I'm rather of the opinion that no guidelines will address the real issue which is simply that far to many people with very little clue of what they are actually doing carryout reptile surveys and far too many developers will simply take the cheapest quote and muddle through. Many pay the price later down the line with over run and thousands of pounds wasted. I said long ago there was room for an association of reptile workers. I still think that is the case. Far too often the work simply goes to the wrong people, in the past year I've practically given up trying to stay in business, knowing full well the work is there and being done by entirely incompetent people in many cases who under quote to get the contract and end up costing their clients thousands due to simple incompetence.
Edited by GemmaJF - 14 Nov 2011 at 2:56pm |
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Matt Smith
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Personally I think at least some parts of it need substantial alteration, particularly with respect to the number of refugia.
And therein lies one of the problem, the HGBI Guidelines are the current "standard methodology". If I aim to "do better" with a survey quote of say, 12 days, someone else is just going to quote the "standard 7 visit survey" and get the business, not me. That is why we need the NE guidelines to be sorted, so that we all have the "minimum standards for survey" set out on paper. If you can get any client pay for more, good luck to you. Edited by Matt Smith - 13 Nov 2011 at 10:27pm |
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herpetologic2
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Yet more confusion on NE and IEEM's front.
1. the guidelines I would suggest still stand as a draft they are not going to be changed a great deal they will be clarified to avoid the confusion around them. 2. Froglife do not have any advice on reptile mitigation - HGBI does 3. I would point people to the guidance in the 2004 publication Reptiles guide for developers by English Nature rather than the outdated previous guidelines. The key messages in that publication and the current draft guidelines is that reptile mitigation should maintain or enhance the conservation status of widespread reptiles as well as taking action which prevents killing and injury to animals during works etc. Proper survey work prior, during and after are very much key to this so please consultants aim to do better than the standard 7 days of survey with 5 to 10 acos per ha etc |
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Noodles
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So the new guidelines are now 'null and void' and any surveys planned for next year based on these should 'revert' back to Froglife guidance until further notified? How bizarre!
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sussexecology
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And ditto from us too. |
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