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   James (Jimpklop) That is one very beautiful male that you took a pic of there, well done! 

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Alan Hyde Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1437	Post Options Post Reply Quote Alan Hyde Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Apr 2007 at 4:58am
	James (Jimpklop) That is one very beautiful male that you took a pic of there, well done!
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	Appleby Adders (c) 1971 Leonard G. Appleby - reproduced for non-commercial educational & research purposes. Edited by Vicar
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Jimpklop Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 23 May 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 208	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jimpklop Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 6:13pm
	Ive seen behavioral changes in the last few visits there is no males rushing about, so i was guessing i have missed it, whens the competition closed then Tony? James
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Jimpklop Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 23 May 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 208	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jimpklop Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 5:54pm
	Hi Tony Just did a quick search on Leonard Appleby and nothing is coming up whats the book called, might need to get my hands on it! Do you know of any more books that are a bit more in depth than "Adders are venomous and are live bearing"? because i have yet to find one. Thanks James
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Peter Vaughan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 172	Post Options Post Reply Quote Peter Vaughan Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 4:49pm
	Tony - I'm a bit confused here - do you mean the picture I posted aaaabove is of a male? I thought the zig-zag was sufficiently light-brown to make it a female...
	Peter Vaughan

Jimpklop Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 23 May 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 208	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jimpklop Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 3:47pm
	As they will be incubating their young i guess they will spend as much time in the sun and a little less reluctant to run off so soon, not sure as for this early, just a thought. James
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Peter Vaughan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 172	Post Options Post Reply Quote Peter Vaughan Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 3:26pm
	I visited my local Adder site at 11:30 on Monday morning. The large male Adder was not in his usual spot and neither it seemed were any other animals about - but having set-off home I spotted the first female I have seen at this site, a little away from where I've seen the males. She was at the base of a birch tree, in a slight hollow in the ground surrounded by a ring of dead braken. Weather was mostly bright sunshine. Question for the Adder experts - is there any easy way of telling whether a female has mated yet by her behaviour? PS - Tony, your old monopod used for this shot.
	Peter Vaughan

Jimpklop Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 23 May 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 208	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jimpklop Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 3:08pm
	yea the markings were very pale it was the white/olive sides that made me think it must be a male, no tail shots because he/she wouldn't move unless we touched it, was quite scary i thought it was dead after about 3 minutes but then it twitched, and after a second look over all my pictures from that day the blotches on its flanks are very faint (more so than an average male) so after all that it may be a female, i feel like a bit of a fool. Thanks James Edited by Jimpklop
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arvensis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Location: Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 493	Post Options Post Reply Quote arvensis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 3:08pm
	No tail shots Jon unfortunately,, it was coiled up like that for the 5 or 10 minutes James and myself were taking piccies of it. I'm sure that its noticed the the 'V' is black compared to the dark brown zig-zag. 5 adders at a local site today, 2 Melanistic which 1 was def a female, 1 female with normal patterning, 1 adult male which i unsuccessfully tried to get a head shot of and a sub-adult male. Mark

herpetologic2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Coordinator Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1511	Post Options Post Reply Quote herpetologic2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 7:42am
	Ah we have a rostral scale shot - cant make out the dark markings - though I am sure Bret would be able to tell us whether that was a male..... Any tail shots? Jon
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