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   Alan, I'm not so sure that British adders are a mainstream pet trade animal? What gives you that idea?
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Martin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 23 Feb 2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 87	Post Options Post Reply Quote Martin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2003 at 2:46pm
	Alan, I'm not so sure that British adders are a mainstream pet trade animal? What gives you that idea? Martin.

Alan Hyde Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1437	Post Options Post Reply Quote Alan Hyde Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2003 at 3:02pm
	Hi Martin , No they're not , I was mearly using Berus as an example , because we here in Britain know thier numbers are in Decline. So what I was saying was, We know that berus is in decline without the added removal for the pet trade. So , if the same thing is happening to ,for instance Bitis Parviocula without numbers being removed for the pet trade , then think of the devastating effects if dealers start taking them from the wild aswell. Could be the final nail for a pretty unkown species. Cheers Martin, Alan

Martin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 23 Feb 2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 87	Post Options Post Reply Quote Martin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2003 at 5:14pm
	Aha, I'm with you now. I would have thought that habitat destruction would have been a major decline factor. Lack of roaming ability therefore reducing the useage area, coupled with human activity and pet disturbances (cats and dogs) are factors I worry about! (But have no idea if any of that is relevant where you are talking about?) Martin.

Alan Hyde Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1437	Post Options Post Reply Quote Alan Hyde Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2003 at 5:41pm
	Hi Martin, Yup yup. I tend to think along different lines also, though not proven. For instance, general Environmental damage (as in the whole planet) . Chaotic weather patterns world wide (Those floods over two summers in the Uk, did they effect our herps?) , Changes in prey items , as in reduced numbers etc.. I think there could be factors behind vanishing herps that we are not aware of yet. Who knows? Cheers Martin , Alan