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nj_allen
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Posted: 07 Jul 2008 at 10:13am |
Hi. Can anyone help identify the attached. I fould this under a log at the bottom of my garden. I say it's a newt, my wife says it's a lizard, but it doesn't look like any of the ones on the identification page. Only ever seen it under the log. the woodlice in the photo should help scale it. There were two, but one hasn't been seen for a few days.
Many thanks, Neil.
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Danial
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Neil,
Its a newt either Smooth or Palmate. Lizards have obvious scales and a more pointed snout/head, while newts have no scales and a more rounded head. Hope that helps, and if you want to find out more then have a look at the ID pages. Danial |
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Peter
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Yep. smooth or palmate newt. They look very different whilst in the terrestrial stage (as the one in the picture is) compared to most pics of them which tend to be taken during the aquatic stage.
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tim hamlett
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nice find. looks like a smooth newt to me. tim |
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Matt Harris
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The vertebral stripe starts quite high up on the head and is more heavily pigmented at the anterior end so it looks more like a smooth newt
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nj_allen
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Hi All, Thanks for the responses, I enjoyed telling my wife she was wrong! They seem very different in the terrestrial stage than the aquatic, I think that is why I didn't recognise it. Thanks again, Neil. |
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tim hamlett
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matt or anyone else i don't suppose you have a summary of this do you. http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/brill/amre/1992/000000 13/00000001/art00002 i'd be very interested to see it if you do. cheers tim |
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Matt Harris
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Sorry I don't, but I'm sure Richard Griffiths will be happy to send you a re-print or photocopy. He's at University of Kent, Canterbury now, not the address on the article. |
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tim hamlett
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cheers matt i've emailed them. tim |
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tim hamlett
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please remember that this is obviously someone elses work not mine apparently the method holds up into sub-adulthood but as the dorsal stripe diminishes over time it is not effective for sexually mature adults. 67 little efts gave their lives for this experiment so i hope the information is helpful to someone. tim |
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