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Topic: Adder 2007!
Posted By: administrator
Subject: Adder 2007!
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2007 at 11:51am

Hi all, thought I would kick-off a new adder piccy thread for 2007 as the old one takes a bit of time to wade through.

Good day today, 15 adult male adders at my local site + 1 sub-adult and 2 adult male Vb and 2 Lv at an adjacent site.

This guy is now an old friend, third year in succession.




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Posted By: james4
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2007 at 1:07pm
brill were was these taken at?

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Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2007 at 1:23pm

Somewhere in Essex James



Posted By: james4
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2007 at 1:47pm
lol not saying site.its ok i understand.
yes beautiful.


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Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2007 at 2:13pm

Hi James, if you were ever in East Anglia I would be happy to take you over to the site, I just don't really want to draw attention to it as the snakes have enough problems with unsympathetic management.

Jon C, Have the management team (BW) been advised to put in brash piles near the main hibernacula? There seems to be several piles that have appeared. If this is the annual 'bonfire' than this year they must be stopped. There are snakes using and adjacent to the piles.



Posted By: Alex2
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2007 at 2:29pm
Originally posted by GemmaJF GemmaJF wrote:

Hi James, if you were ever in East Anglia I would be happy to take you over to the site, I just don't really want to draw attention to it as the snakes have enough problems with unsympathetic management.

Jon C, Have the management team (BW) been advised to put in brash piles near the main hibernacula? There seems to be several piles that have appeared. If this is the annual 'bonfire' than this year they must be stopped. There are snakes using and adjacent to the piles.

I noticed there was a large fire on Ballard Down nr Corfe Castle today, whoever was responsible burnt a LARGE area of gorse as I watched this fire from the window of the pub I work at. Surely March is not an ideal time for such land management?...Wouldn't Dartford Warblers etc be nesting (?), not to mention the Vb's etc that would of been out in this mornings sunshine...

Edit. Maybe a touch early for birds nesting I suppose, but certainly still a dangerous time for emerging reptiles.



Posted By: james4
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2007 at 2:34pm
thanks gemma ill remmeber that if im ever down there,
thanks.


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Posted By: Peter Vaughan
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2007 at 4:03pm

Nice one (or eighteen!) Gemma.  I had high hopes for today, starting off as it did with bright blue sky and rapidly rising temperature.  But the weather didn't quite deliver in the end, not getting above 11C and clouding over by the time I was able to check my local Adder site early this afternoon.  So still no Adders this year for me and no Common Lizards or Slow Worms yet under the refugia which Mark and I put down at Christmas.  My first and only reptile sighting this year was a Common Lizard at an adjacent site in mid-January.  But there was a pristine Red Admiral butterfly out in the garden this morning, flying around the cherry tree blossom.

Peter

 

 



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Posted By: John Newton
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2007 at 4:27pm

Hi Gemma

Of your 15 males, how many of these habitually emerge at exaactly the same locations each year (if you know !)

We have a Derbyshire site which showed a dramatic decline last year, but which is showing some signs of recovery this year - or so it seems. It may just be that new animals are moving into available territory at hibernation time.



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Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2007 at 6:34pm

Hi Peter, it was luck today, I was looking at tomorrow but when I crawled out of bed this morning the sun was bright, no breeze and I was out of the house as quickly as I could. Now it is raining and the wind is howling outside.

John, I would say at this site we have one main area, comprising of three distinct hibernation hot spots that are all part of one continuous bank. I'm confident that all these animals hibernate here habitually. The sub-adult was a surprise though as I have not seen any with the adult males at this site before but it confirms recruitment. There are also individuals in scattered locations, if only I could get good ID pictures from this site (see below) because it isn't clear to me if these are early dispersals or animals emerging from discreet hibernacula.

Tony, I'm back up to speed with handling, unfortunately we have 'issues' at this site and I have no official permit for working on the site. This rules out handling and good quality ID shot, mainly because of the nature of the bank which provides ideal conditions for mosaic basking, getting good shots of the heads is almost impossible without capture. I've now got quite a few individuals at this site that I can reconise from a distance though and a few with photo ID but it is difficult to be consistent without being able to collect full data.



Posted By: Peter Vaughan
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2007 at 12:43pm

Thanks for the encouragement Gemma.  Since this morning again had clear blue skies I followed your implicit advice to get out earlier and was at my local site by 10:15.  I was rewarded by my first Adder sighting of the year.  Readings from a local weather station were 9C and 70% humidity, the Adder was in one of the usual basking spots, sheltered from the light wind.   It gave me an opportunity to try out by new Nikon D80 SLR and Sigma 105mm macro lens.  I'll need some time to learn to get the best out of the new kit, but at least today I had a subject who was prepared to let me photograph him at a distance of less than 1 meter (kneeling in mud - we suffer for our art!). 

Peter



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Posted By: herpetologic2
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2007 at 1:20pm

Hi Gemma

Yeah I recognise that individual aswell - Gemma can I ask a favour could you send me your counts over the last three years - I have got such data from several sites in Essex and I would like to compare this data with the data from your local site.

We will be organising a walk around the site in a few weeks - we have also spoken to the management team (well Barry) and the piles of stuff are picked up by hand and onto the burning area which you recorded before - so they should not be setting fire to the piles rather they pick this up piece by piece onto the fire - legally we cannot stop them from doing this as they are technically being careful (I hope) to avoid any injury or death to the adders

I am thinking of turning up to any work parties so that I can supervise the burn if they will be burning - we are still working on getting into the WT good books - we still havent been granted a license to capture animals but we can survey for adders by just walking around the permission paths - as it is common land we can walk pretty much anywhere and we can record numbers without a license - so adult counts are fine.

If you could send in your counts that would be great I have counts for several sites over 3 to 4 years - all credit will be acknowledged to you in any publication - no locations will be highlighted just general site descriptions etc

 

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Posted By: herpetologic2
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2007 at 1:22pm

Great Peter

Keep a count of the adders you see - I havent forgotten I have some tins for you ready and waiting perhaps we could meet up soon?

I haven't seen my first adder yet of the year - it would be good to see the ones at your local site

Cheers

 

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Posted By: Peter Vaughan
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2007 at 1:37pm

Thanks Jon. 

Re the tins I'd be happy to come to you to collect if that would be convenient. 

I would of course be happy to meet up at my local site - it would need to be at the weekend (I'm free tomorrow but I gather the weather forecast is not good).  If I'm not around then the Adder was in the area I pointed out when we met up last year.

Just the one animal today - I managed a reasonable back of the head shot (photograph that is!) so with luck will be able to recognise the individual again. 

I appreciate the help and encouragement.

Peter

 

 



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Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2007 at 1:44pm

Wow superb photo Peter, I was in mud and brambles to get my shot yesterday also

Jon burning this material in close proximity to the main hibernation bank is insane.

Further the material could be deployed usefully on the site, less than 20m away as a brash pile. Can we see this happen? There are snakes literally sat beside these piles and I find this approach by the management team extremely short sighted.

This will be the third year in succession that they have had a bonfire close to the adder hibernation bank during spring emergence. It is ridiculous.

 



Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2007 at 2:28pm

Jon take a look at this photograph from yesterday. To the right is the 'bonfire' pile. Spot what is sitting right next to it arrowed.



Posted By: herpetologic2
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2007 at 2:40pm

 

Okay Gemma

We will see what we can do

 

Jon



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Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2007 at 2:43pm

Jon, If we can move this material rather than burn it, I would be more than happy to turn up and do my share building the habitat pile. I know exactly where it would be best placed.

There needs to be some compensation at this site, this way it costs nothing and protects the snakes from being caught up in the bonfire at the same time.



Posted By: herpetologic2
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2007 at 2:51pm

Hi Gemma

I agree I think that we can arrange one weekend to put the brash pile in.... didnt the National Trust suggest that there was no burning on the site....

The pile you photographed will be hand fed onto the bonfire could that be controlled or is this too much heat?

Jon



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Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2007 at 2:59pm

Jon, what they do is make a main pile, then torch it adding stuff from the surrounding area. What you are looking at in the picture is part of the main pile. The actual burn spot is already heaped high ready.

BW is a good sized reserve, why on earth do they need to light a fire within a few meters of the main adder hibernation bank? They shouldn't be burning useful resources on the site in any case.

The smoke and heat could be damaging, but what we have is a perfect brash pile immediately adjacent to an adder hibernation bank during emergence. The individual photographed above has mostly likely dispersed from the bank and set up his surface den directly next to the pile. God knows how many others might be using it. It is exactly the same situation we try to create when brash piles are constructed.



Posted By: AGILIS
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2007 at 4:29pm
  Hi Gemma nice pic havent seen any up here in silly Suffolk yet, as  its been to cold unlike over the border sunny Essex hope I can get a few snaps this year if our district council dose not clear all the habitat cover in their obsessive tidying up the countryside schemes.  I see there is still  some good common lizard colonies within the mersey rd   area regards  keith


Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2007 at 5:05pm

Nothing in silly Suffolk eh! I've not heard it called that in years. I'll own up I'm a foreigner in Essex, Suffolk born and bred  (was near the boarder though) - we only had one sunny day, back to rain and wind for this week according to the forecast.



Posted By: AGILIS
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2007 at 3:20pm
HI Gemma had alook out today in the suffolk brecks hoping that by some slim chance i  might see a early adder to photo but the wind was a bit to cold not even a common liz in sight so much for the global warming .any essex ones out? 


Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2007 at 3:27pm
Not been out Keith, weather isn't good here in Essex at all. There are sunny spells forecast for tomorrow afternoon after heavy rain, don't know if it will be any good.


Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2007 at 6:01am
Nice shots Caleb, which camera did you get?


Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2007 at 11:15am
The EOS350D is a great camera, mines given me no trouble and it's help me learn a lot too. I'll be looking forward to more piccies


Posted By: grezza
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2007 at 4:05pm

A few pics from Derbyshire yesterday. Recorded 17 Males which is the most I have personally seen in one session (it's only my second year of monitoring!)

Graham



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Posted By: herpetologic2
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2007 at 4:17pm

Brillant photos - is this part of Make the Adder Count surveying?

sounds like a good number

There are few places with that number of adders around my way - maybe up to 14 but usually only 4 to 6

Great stuff

Jon



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Posted By: grezza
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2007 at 4:27pm

Hi Jon

Yeah it's part of the Make Adders Count, it's just great to see them and the more I visit the more I learn, just sit and observe them, and obviously take some photo's along the way.

Graham



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Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2007 at 5:25pm
Nice one Graham stunning pics (I like the way you have done the borders), nicely marked snakes too!


Posted By: John Newton
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2007 at 7:41pm

Hi Graham

Recognise the site from your last piccie - did you get any further down the valley. I met with Chris last Saturday, and there were not any animals showing, as yet, near the start of the trees. Other folks out yesterday on the Yorkshire side of the boundary, but no animals as yet.



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Posted By: grezza
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2007 at 2:39pm

Hi John

There were 2 males by the start of the trees. I mentioned to Chris that I saw a Stoat in full white winter coat, jumping and twirling as they do, around the base of the bank with the 8 Adders on, do Stoat feed on Adder or vice versa or was it just a coincidence? I couldn't see how it would have panned out as 2 walkers approached and the Stoat ran off.

Graham



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Posted By: Chris Monk
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2007 at 5:57pm

Graham

My e-mail has been corrupted by my ISP so at present I'm not getting anything so I didn't get your message about the stoat. Saw Dave Mallon this afternoon and he had been to the same area today and saw 13 males, including the 8 on the heather bank with 3 curled up on top of one another.

This early spring has brought the adders out much earlier than for the last couple of years of the Make the Adder Count surveys. Have just done the recording sheets for the sites and will send them out to you in the post. Already you, John, Dave, Frank, Helen & Bill and myself have been out recording and there is still over a week till the survey day I organised, which should bring in at least another 3 people to help with the surveys this year.

I will pass your stoat record onto the Derbyshire Mammal Group; adders wouldn't feed on a stoat though they might strike at it in self defence. I would say that they are more threatened by the stoat as a predator rather than vice-versa, so perhaps its a good job the walkers came along and it disappeared.



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Posted By: Suzi
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2007 at 1:49pm
My second trip out to this heath in East Devon this year - Aylesbeare Common - and more productive. Well I saw the same male adder on the out and back walk. Also 6 common lizards - one male greening up - and one newt in a pond.

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Posted By: Peter Vaughan
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2007 at 3:53pm

I went out to look at my local Adder site at 09:50 this morning - none where out then but conditions were not great - a cool breeze and 9C, and only brief periods of bright sunshine.  But at least one - possibly two animals were out at 12:15, when the temperature had risen to 12C, including the one I saw last week (recognised from its head scale pattern).  Temperatures are from a local weather station which recoded RH of 81% and 61% respectively at the two times.  A third visit to the Adder site at 15:40 found no animals out - there was more bright sun by then but shadows had lengthened so that most of the earlier basking sites were in the shade.  Photo of today's sighting below:

  

This morning I also searched the surrounding wet heathland/ woodland edge and found what looked like suitable Adder sites, but no animals.  A check on my local Grass Snake site just before 12:00 found none out of hiberantion yet - but should be any day now if it gets just a bit warmer.

 



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Posted By: Peter Vaughan
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2007 at 5:03pm

Arrived at my local Adder site at 11am today.  Two animals were out. 

One was a brownish individual I'd seen last year, confirmed by a photo of the head scale pattern.  It is missing the tip of its tail.  This animal was relatively inactive, retreating slowly into nearby vegetation when disturbed and emerging into the same spot a few minutes later.

The second was a larger, more greenish individual which was much more active, (relatively) rapidly covering a distance of several meters while I observed it.  I think this is the animal I photographed yesterday, but it was too quick for a head shot today!

I also checked out an area of wet heath, part of the same nature reserve but separated from the first site by 350m, including a major road and a sports field.  I found a single large brown Adder at the edge of a tin left over from some survey work by Sparsholt college in 2005 (I don't know if they found Adders then but they did find Slow Worms).  It didn't hang around long enough for a photo.  I also saw a Common Lizard, greenish and missing most of its tail, at the same site - it walked across a small pool of water via some surface vegetation.

Peter

 



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Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2007 at 12:50pm

Funny day today (Mon 12th March) - too hot for most of the day to see lots of adder!!Anyway, got to spend most of the day with a couple of males (one in piccy below). About 14:45 it finally cooled down enough for a few more males to openly bask, also very fleeting glance of my first female for 2007 - She had spent most of the afternoon in a pile of leaves, I heard her move about a few times - I guess she was still able to absorb heat without being seen in the leaf pile - I was quite surprised that it was female when she finally broke cover.

Anyway, Piccy of male below.

PS Jon, there is no doubt males are moving out to those 'bonfire' piles at BW - I watched two today move over from the bank and travel directly to the piles - I also spotted another basking close by, couldn't get a piccy in time though.



Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2007 at 6:37pm
Go on then Tony, when are they sleeping and when alert? They always seem alert to me.


Posted By: axel
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2007 at 8:35am

We found our first angesey adder last saturday.  A beautiful little male, looking remarkably well fed and clean considering he's spent the last few months underground. 



Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2007 at 3:13pm

You could have told me sooner Tony, there was me for the last week putting my ear against them to see if they were snoring  

I know what you mean though. I've a feeling I see adder kipping whilst openly basking at some sites more than I see it at other site.



Posted By: arvensis
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2007 at 5:53am
One from yesterday:



Posted By: herpetologic2
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2007 at 8:03am

thanks Tony

that maybe an individual I relocated last year - I worked the site for the council - dont worry it was a relocation of less than 150metres

I am checking my photos from 2006 - nice one Mark

 

Jon



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Posted By: arvensis
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2007 at 8:10am
One from Saturday:

The Melanistic from yesterday:



Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2007 at 8:41am
Some from today.... at i site i have never visited before and at first thoughts on entering the site i thought o god theres no hope didn't look like VB habitat at all then after a further  half a mile in i entered a second clearing to find these. I'm chuffed!



Moved at the speed of light... i just turned around because i heard some rustling on the dry ground and saw this speeding across open ground, i almost fainted.



Then saw this guy hiding a few feet away, he ran off quite fast (was hotter than i expected today)



Then he posed for a nice head shot .

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Posted By: st rick
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2007 at 9:48am
Nice work James.  Looks like some big Adders you got there, were you in Surrey?


Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2007 at 9:55am
Hi St Rick

No it was Hampshire, Yea they were big! 65-70cms probably the biggest i have ever seen, i don't handle Vipera Berus when I'm alone (I'm not experienced in venomous snake handling) so its hard to tell true size. Its also hard to see from the photos but they almost perfect white! Beautiful snakes.

James


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Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2007 at 10:24am
Hi tony

Yea a female was present, i was watching out for the dance but no such luck.

James


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Posted By: arvensis
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2007 at 2:32pm
Nice work James, now you know they're there, no doubt you'll be back! 

One male from a site in East Hampshire for me, I decided to take a short break amongst heather and gorse and put my backpack down.  Within a minute saw it emerge from the heather and find a basking a spot.   Difficult to describe exactly but would've made some good video footage.

Mark


Posted By: Vicar
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2007 at 3:36pm
Nice one James !

Totally agree with Tony, nicely freshly sloughed males charging about looking for girls !

Deinitely worth a revisit, find a nice big female and sit quietly. Even if she's paired up, keep watching as rival males will try their luck and there will be trouble !

I take it that was the site you asked about? (On Surrey/Hants borders).


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Posted By: Vicar
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2007 at 9:29am
Weather has been very warm today. After mid-day, I've been seeing adders thermoregulating in shaded areas, or basking in partial sunshine, like this female 30mins ago at Ash.




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Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2007 at 9:57am
Nice one Steve, Another Biggun'. Yea i saw two males today, one completely in the shade and the other partially exposed to the sun, The first male i saw was melanistic and was very docile (10:10am) i got within inches of him. So my first black VB today .

Found out there are LV on the site as well .

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Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2007 at 11:13am
Hi Tony

i didn't mean to get so close was checking some spots deeper in the heath whilst standing at the edge. went to take a step forward and he was just to the right of me i really was shocked to see it, i looked for about two seconds then backed off (to get camera out of bag) and as i moved he turned and looked and ran.

I have the Fuji S9500 has 28mm-300mm macro is good on it but its uselessly slow.

James


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Posted By: herpetologic2
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2007 at 11:20am

I would like to know more about adder sites in Hampshire as I am writing the chapter on the species in the new Hampshire Herp Atlas. i am also trying to help coordinate the MTAC survey in the county.

 

Please send in your records

Jon



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Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2007 at 2:24pm
Hi Jon

I have sent recordings to ARG, I haven't sent any to anyone else because i don't know who shares recordings and didn't want to duplicate  the data.

If you know of any unconfirmed sites in Hampshire i would be willing to check them to fill in any gaps etc.PM if your interested.

James


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Posted By: herpetologic2
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2007 at 3:10pm

Perhap syou could send in some MTAC forms aswell eh

I do have some sites to check I will forward you the details in due course where abouts are you in Hampshire?

JC



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Posted By: arvensis
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2007 at 4:27pm
6 males today, 4 under tins, of which 3 were under the same tin. 2 out basking, 1 right next to a reasonably popular path which. That one almost got trodden on by a member of public.

As you can see, the head is a tad out of focus.
Mark


Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2007 at 2:13pm
Nice pose! bit of a shame about the depth of field.

Roughly what time did you check the tins? because I'm still having no luck with the tins near me, i fear its because they may be to hot (they feel very hot to the touch) but i check them when i arrive (9:00am) and when I leave (13:00 depending on results) and when ever I'm passing and don't see any thing, but i see lots basking. Location looks ok, haven't seen any snakes near it so its probably not being used.

Thanks

James


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Posted By: arvensis
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2007 at 2:32pm
James,
        I checked the tin with the 3 Vb under at 16:17, the 1 with male pictured above a couple of minutes later. Mind you it was quite warm yesterday.

Mark


Posted By: Suzi
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2007 at 3:50pm

James,

I don't think it's to do with the tin temperature. I've lifted tins on very hot summer days when you could fry an egg on the tin and still it has been crowded with adders underneath!



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Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2007 at 4:34pm
Guess its just not being used by the herpetofauna in the area then.

Thanks Suz

James


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Posted By: clare
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2007 at 11:30am

Found this very docile female adder at Bramshill on Friday.



Posted By: tim hamlett
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2007 at 11:55am

wow clare...you sure now how to make an entrance! another beautiful pic. something tells me that you're not new to this herp-spotting business.

tim



Posted By: clare
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2007 at 2:33pm

Hi All, thanks for the warm welcome.  Have been watching reptiles whilst out watching birds and dragonflies for a few years but have only been making a real effort in the last couple of years and trying to build up a collection of reptile piccies.  Reading the posts on this forum is very informative and makes me realise how little I know about our native reptiles. I didn't even know that you could tell individual adders apart by their markings!

Clare

 

 

 

 

 



Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2007 at 2:47pm
Found a very docile male today (5:45pm) while with Arvensis, we observed this male from a distance for about 5mins and he didn't know he was being watched even when we left.

James


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Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2007 at 9:40am
Here is the the docile male mentioned above.




Thanks

James


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Posted By: arvensis
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2007 at 1:26pm
Most of my pics came out not that good and did not really show the olive hint to the skin, anyway here's the best effort:

Now I've discovered that the camera needs a sensor clean and I can't find the flipping sensor cleaning swabs -oh well.
Mark


Posted By: herpetologic2
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 7:40am

So I would have that lovely adder down as being a female......

Dark brown markings = Female

Jet black markings = Male

 

Though have we any shots of the rostral scales?

or the tail?

 

Jon



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Posted By: herpetologic2
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 7:42am

Ah we have a rostral scale shot - cant make out the dark markings - though I am sure Bret would be able to tell us whether that was a male.....

Any tail shots?

 

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Posted By: arvensis
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 3:08pm
No tail shots Jon unfortunately,, it was coiled up like that for the 5 or 10 minutes James and myself were taking piccies of it.  I'm sure that its noticed the the 'V' is black compared to the dark brown zig-zag.

5 adders at a local site today, 2 Melanistic which 1 was def a female, 1 female with normal patterning, 1 adult male which i unsuccessfully tried to get a head shot of and a sub-adult male.

Mark


Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 3:08pm
    yea the markings were very pale it was the white/olive sides that made me think it must be a male, no tail shots because he/she wouldn't move unless we touched it, was quite scary i thought it was dead after about 3 minutes but then it twitched, and after a second look over all my pictures from that day the blotches on its flanks are very faint (more so than an average male) so after all that it may be a female, i feel like a bit of a fool.

Thanks

James
 

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Posted By: Peter Vaughan
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 3:26pm

I visited my local Adder site at 11:30 on Monday morning.  The large male Adder was not in his usual spot and neither it seemed were any other animals about - but having set-off home I spotted the first female I have seen at this site, a little away from where I've seen the males.  She was at the base of a birch tree, in a slight hollow in the ground surrounded by a ring of dead braken.  Weather was mostly bright sunshine.  Question for the Adder experts - is there any easy way of telling whether a female has mated yet by her behaviour?

PS - Tony, your old monopod used for this shot.



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Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 3:47pm
As they will be incubating their young i guess they will spend as much time in the sun and a little less reluctant to run off so soon, not sure as for this early, just a thought.

James


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Posted By: Peter Vaughan
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 4:49pm

Tony -

I'm a bit confused here - do you mean the picture I posted aaaabove is of a male?  I thought the zig-zag was sufficiently light-brown to make it a female...



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Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 5:54pm
Hi Tony

Just did a quick search on Leonard Appleby and nothing is coming up whats the book called, might need to get my hands on it!

Do you know of any more books that are a bit more in depth than "Adders are venomous and are live bearing"? because i have yet to find one.

Thanks

James


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Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2007 at 6:13pm
Ive seen behavioral changes in the last few visits there is no males rushing about, so i was guessing i have missed it, whens the competition closed then Tony?

James


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Posted By: Vicar
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2007 at 4:36am
Appleby Adders


(c) 1971 Leonard G. Appleby - reproduced for non-commercial educational & research purposes.


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Posted By: Alan Hyde
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2007 at 4:58am
James (Jimpklop) That is one very beautiful male that you took a pic of there, well done!

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Posted By: arvensis
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2007 at 5:59am
One of the animals from yesterday, I don't know what you lot think about melanistic animals but this one is a nice example:


Managed to bag all 6 native reptiles yesterday for the first time this year.

Mark


Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2007 at 3:09pm
Steve, Thanks for posting that picture, i have learnt to look more closely.

Mark, Cracking picture mate, and well done for getting all six.

Tony, as for receptive females i have only seen one (against at least 5 males).  of one litter is there any evidence that shows most are males / most are females? Probably completely random but....

James


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Posted By: herpetologic2
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2007 at 5:27pm

Hi Mark

 

I hope you got some clear shots of that one's head - I am trying to count the head scales so I can match it with animals I caught last year.....I suspect its an old friend

I may pop down to the site tomorrow to get some counts and some head markings - possibly some weights and measures to compare with the animals I captured last year - in situ mitigation study coming on here we already know that the animals shifted from their release areas - approx 150 to 200 metres

and we have some recaptures - we had one deformed neonate on the site so keep an eye out for that one if it has survived. The high numbers of melanistic adders on this site and deformed babies suggests possible inbreeding.

And this year I will be working very close by on the motorways in this area so we will find out more about the adders in this area.

Question - how many males are there in the Appleby photo?

Jon

 

PS remember Mark I need to have at least 3 counts from AP and PFS ideally over 5 counts through April and May - for MTAC - Make the Adder Count - come people get out there count adders, go over your notes and send in forms for 2005 & 2006 we need as much count data as possible from as many sites as possible

Pass counts are just as valid

 



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Posted By: arvensis
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2007 at 5:49pm
Jon,
     I think its the same animal as in the 'Melanistic 2007' thread as the head scales match up pretty well(I do have a zoomed-in head shot).  I have been trying to get head shots of all the animals but this hasn't always been possible.

I finish work tomorrow at 1:30pm so it'll probably be a bit on the warm side by then to see any animals out.  I imagine you will probably be popping down there earlier in the morning.

If there is inbreeding I wonder if introducing some other animals to the site for 3-4 years would widen the gene pool?

Haven't been to AP yet as I thought others were keeping a eye on that site.   As for PFS, counts are not a problem.

Mark


Posted By: st rick
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2007 at 5:51pm
Just back from the Mendips after a very productive day with Paul Ford.
We saw 20 adders, 12 Grass Snakes, 5 Slow Worms and about 10
Common lizards. Of course, I left my camera sittting on top of the toilet
in Shepherd's Bush, but Paul had his and I think a few decent pics were
obtained.

We came across 2 separate groups of mating Adders and witnessed the
dance on both occasions. The main site was a shallow depression that
acted as a kind of natural ampitheatre frpm which to enjoy the show,
literally snakes whizzing around in all directions oblivious to us.We didn't
get decent pics of this but met a gentleman who was. We introduced him
to this forum, so with luck he will make an appearance and post some
cracking shots. Hi Malcom.

And to think I lived in this general area for 16 years and never knew this
site existed!



Posted By: tim hamlett
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2007 at 5:52pm

Question - how many males are there in the Appleby photo?

i'm assuming the answer is either 1 or 0 but i would go for 1 - the one that is partially lying over the the brown one.

tim



Posted By: Vicar
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2007 at 6:27pm
Top adder is male, other two are female on Appleby Pic

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Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 25 May 2007 at 7:50pm
hello,

All is quiet on the VB photography front.

Any one having any luck?

James


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Posted By: yellowhammer
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2007 at 9:07am

Now we're up & running again I thought I'd post a pic of one of the 7 females I found this morning, 4 of them being gravid. Not a great photo, but I like it...

No males, no neos, but a bank full of females is always nice to find.  Anyone else having any luck?

 

 



Posted By: herpetologic2
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2007 at 9:08am

 

Then that would be a hibernation area - so it would be important to report that to the Add an Adder website or Make the Adder Count Survey.

 

J



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Posted By: yellowhammer
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2007 at 10:10am
Originally posted by herpetologic2 herpetologic2 wrote:

 

Then that would be a hibernation area - so it would be important to report that to the Add an Adder website or Make the Adder Count Survey.

 

J

Already done Jon



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Posted By: herpetologic2
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2007 at 10:41am

Good man

Jon



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Posted By: arvensis
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2007 at 8:28am
A juvenile from a local site:


Mark


Posted By: b armata
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2007 at 4:27pm

HELLO EVERYONE, AFTER A STRUGGLE AND THANKS TO ALAN i'M BACK

 

GOOD TO SEE ALL UP AND RUNNING, i'VE MISSED YA!!!

 

ALAN DEFINITELY COMING IN APRIL WITH JOHANNES; WE DEFINITELY HAVE A DATE FOR THAT CHOBHAM ADDER SITE OK?



Posted By: Alan Hyde
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2007 at 5:13pm
Hey Tony!
Glad to see you here mate, yup April sounds great looking forward to it.
You haven't missed much this summer, rain rain and more rain.

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Posted By: Peter Vaughan
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2007 at 6:32pm

Hello Tony

Two pics of an Adder seen at Hartland (tin at top of the south facing slope leading down to the marshy area) on 8 August this year.  Apologies for the pic being a bit fuzzy - I only had a few seconds to photo it before it moved undercover - but maybe you know this one?

Best wishes

Peter



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Posted By: John Newton
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2007 at 3:18am

Hi Peter

Interestingly, I saw the same female under the same tin on Friday the 10th, also plenty of sandies about in spite of the hot day. I returned to that tin 3 times during the day - early am, lunchtime, and tea time, and she was always there.



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Posted By: Jimpklop
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2007 at 7:10am
Hi Peter and John,

Is it me or is that individual slightly underweight, it looks a bit skinny from those pictures?

James



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Posted By: Matt Harris
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2007 at 7:19am


Just a random pic of quite a pretty adder the other day

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Posted By: tim hamlett
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2007 at 8:29am

they are great shots brett. i'll not be trying to compete with them!

cheers

tim

 




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